tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-50737012176252091762024-03-14T01:22:09.608-04:00SCILS or SCIRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-2227555789090040762009-02-24T12:55:00.002-05:002009-02-24T12:59:39.673-05:00Rutgers Meetings - EPPC and BoG"Before being voted on by the University Board of Governors on April 2, 2009, the proposed school name change (from School of Communication,Information, and Library Studies to School of Communication and Information) will go before the Educational Planning and Policy Committee,which meets on March 18.<br /><br />Those wishing to express an opinion on the name change can write to:<br /><br />Robert A. Laudicina, Educational Planning and Policy Committee<br />Rutgers, The State University of New Jersey<br />Office of the Secretary of the University<br />7 College Avenue<br />Winants Hall, Room 112<br />New Brunswick, New Jersey 08901-1260<br /><br />In addition, please feel free to share your ideas here in a comment within this post. All comments, either for or against the name change are welcome and will be passed on to the EPPC and BoG."Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-27092788893042252912009-02-14T00:24:00.003-05:002009-02-14T00:29:50.624-05:00Thanks and Moving ForwardThank you everyone who showed up. Thank you, Jill, for the blog coverage. This was a good discussion. Please read, think, and comment. The big question is....<br /><br />What to do next?<br /><br />~Mary FranRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-63133565110095272922009-02-13T21:14:00.003-05:002009-02-13T21:23:37.765-05:00longer conclusion and thanksSorry for the delay in this post. My hands were tired!<br /><br />Please join me in thanking:<br />- Fran Daley, for organizing and running tonight's meeting<br />- Dean Schement and the SCILS faculty members who attended<br />- SCILS students, staff, and alumni, NJ library community members, and members of the press who attended the meeting, either in-person or virtually<br /><br />I hope that, despite technical problems in the middle of the meaning, this blog provides a useful record. Fran was also taking pen-and-paper notes, and the meeting was recorded as a digital audio file. Information about the online availability of the digital audio will hopefully be forthcoming.<br /><br />More information about the "1/3 mill" issue mentioned at the meeting is available by visiting the <a href="http://www.njla.org/legislative/">NJLA Legislative Updates page</a> and clicking on Model Resolution Opposing League of Municipalities (pdf file).Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-11603983105559085512009-02-13T18:57:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:57:49.662-05:00quick conclusionThanks to everyone who attended or followed - longer conclusion coming soon!Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-89918036174298066562009-02-13T18:45:00.001-05:002009-02-13T18:47:00.724-05:00responding to Pat and Liz's commentsClaire:<br />people graduate from a program and from the school<br /><br />Paul:<br />people just say Rutgers<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />most degrees just say Graduate School of New BrunswickRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-35300763345504144272009-02-13T18:42:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:44:02.966-05:00responding to Pat Tumulty's commentDan:<br />It is a big fight right now<br />I don't think that an action that's going to occur here later this spring will affect a vote that's scheduled for the second week in March<br />moving to #1 shows strong support for the program<br />I don't see that this is going to be misinterpreted<br /><br />Schement:<br />demonstrates the need for community, not a sense of we vs. theyRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-28624408741192060642009-02-13T18:41:00.001-05:002009-02-13T18:42:06.384-05:00meeting 6:41Schement:<br />We consciously chose not to let numbers win<br />to merge together the twin basic phenomena<br />it's a choice that'll tell our story better, to help us stand apart from other schoolsRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-43418197827141982142009-02-13T18:38:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:40:29.021-05:00meeting 6:38I apologize, Blogger went down again and I lost some, am trying again to catch up<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />meaning of "sic" according to wikitionary - indicates a mistake ("sic" in Latin)<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />well, if the music students are called "Gross"...<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />School of Information would have been cleaner<br /><br />media person:<br />communication is a broad process too<br />we wouldn't want communication dropped, wouldn't want not to be counted<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />that's exactly how we feelRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-62335566645512686812009-02-13T18:32:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:35:49.343-05:00meeting 6:32Paul:<br />as a pilot, I like to pronounce it "sky" (SCI)<br />are enemies of libraries already saying, "Well, RU is planning to change its name," or are we ahead of it?<br /><br />Dan:<br />the assembly and senate people in Trenton are very intelligent, we don't have any problem with them, they respect libraries<br />mayors of small towns are the ones that object - want to tell people to go to the next town and use their library<br />mayors of major cities are very supportive<br />complicated issue<br />there's going to be a course this summer that deals with this...(some laughter: Paul: no advertising! :))Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-53656568596921550842009-02-13T18:30:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:32:37.950-05:00meeting 6:30MLIS student:<br />better name would have been appropriate, rather than just a chop<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />need the support not just of the faculty, but also of the students<br />we're open minded about change<br />if you delayed this, made it feel like we had more voice, like it wasn't being forced down our throats<br />it feels like a chop, not a change<br />would have support of students, not send a harmful message to the public<br /><br />Schement:<br />added complication: MLIS students make up 27% of the school and are very enthusiastic<br />we have to convince you that what we're doing is in your interest in the long termRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-66611246930719164202009-02-13T18:25:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:30:24.640-05:00meeting 6:25Dan:<br />I'm a real library guy and real proud of that<br />but in favor of the name change<br />the dean says he wants us to be the #1 program in the country<br />can we also get comfortable chairs, enough plugs for computers - that's on deans' agenda<br />1/3 mill thing* - we support strong public libraries<br />*Jill's note: I tried to find a link to explain this, but all are pdf files, will try to add one later<br /><br />Schement:<br />important to think about messages sent<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />is name set or open to discussion<br /><br />Schement:<br />we've submitted a proposal for SCI to Board of Governors<br />other acronyms have been talked about but this is the one that's been submitted<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />some opinions say that change is okay, but not that particular name<br />people in the towns are battling for 1/3 mill, they won't ask questions - if they see RU is chopping library studies, they'll see that even RU doesn't value librariesRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-55921215358928730952009-02-13T18:23:00.003-05:002009-02-13T18:25:04.807-05:00meeting 6:23Claire:<br />valid concern<br />thank you to everyone who's here, everyone who's sent email<br />made us realize the loyalty, strong feelings<br />may not be visible: Dan has spent hours on the phone with people<br />maybe it would have been better if we were proactive about this, we had plans to communicate with people<br />it's not a done deal<br />we have been spending lots and lots of time<br />I don't think the leaders will connect the change in the name with any idea that we're lowering our support to library scienceRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-20506664797602030962009-02-13T18:20:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:23:19.203-05:00meeting 6:20(btw, I don't think anyone's Twittering, just me blogging - I thought the blog would be easier to read in chunks, especially after the fact)<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />a lot of people don't even realize that you need a master's degree to be a librarian<br />term library is valuable<br />concerned about the timing: difficult time for libraries, trying to change 1/3 mill law<br />name change now will send the wrong message<br />communication problems in discussing this issue - we weren't given time to prepare<br />very concerned about what kind of message it sends to the broader communityRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-71687884468243247022009-02-13T18:17:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:20:38.044-05:00responses to commentsDan O'Connor:<br />one time we had a demonstration protesting increase in tuition, low pay for asst professors<br />450 faculty, 300 grad students<br />at the end we heard: you didn't even have 20% show up!<br />we have about 25 people here, maybe 27<br />there was a conversation in the faculty meeting before voting: why don't we add the word media?<br />been here since 1974<br />assumed that half of the votes were people who wanted to add the word media<br /><br />Claire:<br />2 journalism/media studies faculty here: Prof. Marchi and Prof. KernRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-40302816000821001442009-02-13T18:12:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:15:34.145-05:00meeting 6:12Schement:<br />most students in one program don't know any students in the others<br />we had an ice cream social - 400-500 people came, people at least saw each other<br />we intend to do a lot more of that, we don't know how, esp with online students, but we want to<br />democracy begins with community - no other school includes both pillars of democracy, the press and librariesRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-37375892970031099532009-02-13T18:08:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:12:47.610-05:00meeting 6:10Claire:<br />went to an online ed in libraries meeting in Denver<br />one thing that characterizes our program is that we try to have all of our faculty teach at least one online course<br />you are in our minds - we can do better keeping you in the communication loop<br />Melanie Andrich is included in our planning group<br /><br />Schement:<br />we're struggling with: the meaning of what it means to be a community<br />deepen the roots of communityRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-64156238297996992052009-02-13T18:05:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:08:25.698-05:00meeting 6:05pmI missed Schement's answer while trying to get Blogger to re-load<br /><br />(I haven't forgotten you, commentors!)<br /><br />Harty:<br />we've introduced a program that fills the needs of different students<br />the issue you bring out is how salient identity isRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-17653780653078625612009-02-13T18:04:00.002-05:002009-02-13T18:05:44.567-05:00more technical problemsI apologize - I typed a question from the online peer mentor but it didn't show up.<br /><br />summary:<br />we didn't know about the change, we feel isolated already<br />how will communicate with us in the future?Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-11056820484678174182009-02-13T18:00:00.003-05:002009-02-13T18:01:26.682-05:00meeting 6:00several schools that went from L to nothing (Columbia, etc) - programs that don't exist anymore<br />growth is tied to finding partners<br /><br />(Jill's notes: I see the comments on the blog and will read them at first opportunity)Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-87128809120474975482009-02-13T17:56:00.002-05:002009-02-13T17:59:54.202-05:00meeting 5:57Fran:<br />I don't think of it as a library school, but as SCILS<br />our success: unique harmony between research and professions<br />what impact research has been done to look at the risk of this change?<br /><br />Schement:<br />a lot of emails showing concern for how much this will cost - a good concern<br />our strategy is one we would have used in good times: spend as little as possible<br />maps get reissued every summer anyway, building code won't change<br />what about my cards? have to give them all out first<br />what about signage? changes would have to be made<br /><br />Fran:<br />impact studies about how we'll achieve more greatness and not confuse people more?<br /><br />Schement:<br />a lot of data from AAU schools - all are doing better than they were at the times of their name changes<br />four examples (too much to catch)Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-90854228276115309492009-02-13T17:51:00.002-05:002009-02-13T17:54:29.695-05:00back on track: meeting 5:51Okay, folks, I think we're back on track - it looks like I was just misnumbering. I'll be doing times from now on, and keeping posts shorter<br /><br />Harty:<br />should reference intellectual domains, not professions<br />not "fight for your turf," but "greater opportunities"<br />professionals re(something) themselves (re-image?)<br />broadened perspectiveRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-12423382414621700992009-02-13T17:49:00.004-05:002009-02-13T17:50:52.082-05:00meeting 6?Sorry - while I was typing that I missed more<br />Schement was asked if we're moving to Livingston, said no<br /><br />Schement<br />had 4 meetings with students, all of which were civil, courteous<br />we're attracting the best that can be attracted<br /><br />(I'm going to try to get meeting 5 back - there were important points in there)Rutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-41612927349508005712009-02-13T17:48:00.002-05:002009-02-13T17:48:46.897-05:00tech interruption"meeting 5" apparently didn't get posted - sorry - there's a recording alsoRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-38567053160647800192009-02-13T17:41:00.002-05:002009-02-13T17:47:41.975-05:00meeting 5 cont.MLIS student:<br />other issues made this a bigger issue<br />by dropping library, it's a change - like library has become a part of information science<br />what librarians do hasn't changed, not a part of IS<br />L and IS should be connected, but there does seem to be a rift<br />the public are still confused about what librarians do<br />core mission of librarians hasn't changed<br />are we going to change the core mission of the school?<br />manner that this change came about sort of threw people<br />if we are changing, we want to be aware - how will future changes be handled?<br />we want to be sure school mission isn't changing<br /><br />Claire:<br />language matters<br />taking L out sends question marks out there - does it mean L is diminished?<br />what if it expands our sphere of influence?<br />when we say C+I we're saying that we are connected<br />comm is a huge part of what librarians are doing, are good at<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />would have made more sense, made people less mad if I+C name, instead of just dropping L from the end - would have been rebranding, not a drop<br /><br />Schement:<br />SIC? bad acronym<br />all change is (missed - something like difficult)<br />producing the leaders of the profession - can't do it unless we changeRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5073701217625209176.post-87358449268442280882009-02-13T17:30:00.003-05:002009-02-13T17:39:05.825-05:00meeting 4MLIS student:<br />How is just changing the name going to attract all these new professors and new ideas?<br /><br />Schement:<br />What we didn't say is that we're also in the process of reimagining ourselves<br />when our colleagues across the country were in hiring freezes, we've hired 5, maybe 6 faculty, each of whom speak across the boundaries of the department<br />one person who studies video games - does he belong in media? LIS? where should we put him? we put him in the library program, we think that kind of stimulation is vitally important<br />we need to explain why this is remaking us as a school - our competitive advantage is that we do things other instititions can't<br /><br />MLIS student:<br />Why didn't you explain this before just announcing that you were changing the name?<br /><br />Schement:<br />We didn't have a public meeting but we talked to some people<br />We talked to some students very early on, in all the programs, and right around the time of the vote<br />We didn't say "can we have permission"<br />It's been public, it's been floating around for 20 years<br />30-10-1 vote<br />secret ballot<br />20 years from now, open question, names change<br />was this an effort of all the faculty to gang up on the library faculty? as far as we can tell that wasn't the case<br />other people have suggested that we're not being true to our roots<br />our oldest rooted program is the undergrad journalism program, 1926<br />second is undergrad library service, 1927<br />two very important professional roots, but they wouldn't be here if we didn't have an intellectual focus<br />we attract a lot of students because they want to be where a first-rate faculty are<br />value of degree wouldn't be there if we weren't a reserach university<br /><br />MLIS alum:<br />issue is process, commodization of students<br />Douglass college debacle<br />were told that students weren't supposed to find out until it went through<br />profession is struggling for air, we need to defend it every day<br />this forum needed to happen sooner, even if it were just a gesture<br />students feel that we're here to fund the faculty research<br />we hardly knew about it<br />it's one more fight that we've been struggling withRutgers LISSAhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10132984470763384782noreply@blogger.com0